So today I'm talking about taxes, which in my opinion are the second most boring subject on earth, behind life insurance. But like life insurance, taxes may be boring, but they are important.
Most of us have taxes withdrawn directly from our paycheck or Social Security benefit, so we never see the money. Somehow it seems less painful that way. And then if we get a refund ... why that's a bonus! (Even though, of course, it's not ... we've just been giving Uncle Sam an interest-free loan for the past year).
It's all in how you frame things. I like the way our town does our real-estate taxes. You receive a bill in March. Instead of saying it's due on April 30, and if you're late you get a penalty, it says it's due on June 30 -- but if you pay early, by April 30, you get a discount!
It's the same thing. But it makes you feel better. Of course, in the fine print it says "liens will be filed after 12/31" which is telling us that we don't really own the property at all. We're renting it from the local government, and if we don't pay up they will take it away from us.
For the most part I don't mind paying taxes. It's the price of living in a civilized society. We pay real-estate taxes to educate our children. We pay Social Security taxes to finance our old age. We pay income taxes to
So there are a few types of taxes that have been in the news recently -- mostly proposals to raise taxes -- and I just want to point out a few consequences.
The flat tax. This would make everyone pay the same percentage of their income -- say 20% -- in taxes. Yes, the rich would pay more. But this tax is not progressive, so the rich would not pay proportionally more. Most people agree this is not fair since as you go up the income scale you can afford to pay more ... and remember, people are only paying the increased amount on the higher income. So if Ms. Moneybags makes, say, $1 million a year, she still only pays 10% on her first $9,525 of taxable income. She only pays the higher 37% on the amount above $500,000.
Actually, the flat seems to be a way to lower taxes, and collect less money for the government, because let's face it, if you want to raise money, you have to go after the people who actually have money. You can only squeeze so much out of the middle class.
The value added tax, or VAT. In this scheme, which you may have heard about, taxes are not collected on income. They're collected when people buy something. It's like a national sales tax. This is essentially a flat tax -- as are all sales taxes -- and so in a sense it is regressive, in that the richer you are, the less tax you pay as a proportion of your income.
Plus, anyone who has any savings would suffer an immediate cut in their purchasing power, since that money was already taxed as income, and now it will be taxed again when it's spent. In other words, it would penalize retirees who have saved up any money outside a traditional IRA.
Capital gains tax. Currently, capital gains on investments are taxed at a lower rate than the income people earn from working. The lower rate also applies to the qualified dividends people receive from stocks and mutual funds. Some people want to even out these rates. And honestly, I think they have a good argument. Why should working for money be penalized compared to investing for money?
But make no mistake. While this tax would penalize the wealthy, for sure, it would also penalize retirees. Anyone who has savings in an investment outside of a traditional IRA would pay a higher tax when they cash in their stock or mutual fund, or when they receive a quarterly dividend. Unfortunately, retired people are often lumped in with wealthy people -- because we're the ones who have saved and invested some money.
The wealth tax. Presidential contender Sen. Elizabeth Warren has proposed a tax of 2% a year on all wealth above $50 million, rising to 3% for fortunes over $1 billion. This is a new idea. One might wonder how to collect this tax -- how does the IRS value the real estate, the art, the farming or the business interests that people own? But, really, most of us probably don't mind this tax, since no matter how anyone counts it, we don't have anywhere near $50 million.
A higher personal income tax rate. Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is proposing a 70% income tax rate on income over $10 million a year. There's nothing novel about this. Taxes have been higher in the past. Again, most of us probably don't care, because we can't even imagine making $10 million in a year (or at all!) But you may want to look more carefully at her idea, since as long as a tax is graduated it implies a higher income tax on people with lower incomes as well.
Which brings up a caveat. In 1983 when Social Security was reformed, an income tax was initiated on anyone receiving Social Security benefits if their income reached $25,000 as a single and $32,000 as a couple. Back in 1983 this was a reasonably decent income -- and so one could argue it was fair to start taxing away Social Security income over those amounts.
But fast forward to today. Social Security still taxes any income over $25,000 as a single and $32,000 as a couple. But let's face it, that's not a lot of money anymore. If those limits were adjusted for inflation, they would today be more like $64,000 for singles and $82,000 for married couples. The 1983 reform was designed to tax beneficiaries who were pretty well off. Today the consequence of the "reform" is to hit retirees of very modest means. (By the way, 13 states, from Connecticut to Colorado, also impose their own income tax on Social Security benefits.)
So beware those income levels. If they're not adjusted for inflation, what seems "wealthy" today may not seem so flush a few years from now.
13 comments:
I would also add "poverty level" determined every year. Ireland has a good model in that it is not based on currency but rather on the necessities of life like good clothing, shelter, nutritious food, gift buying, eating out once a week, a modicum of entertainment, etc.
In Canada we are not adhering to that and my income is actually below the Canada poverty level supplemented by the GIS, guaranteed income supplement. But if I earn even a small amount the clawback happens in the following year even if I didn't work, thus plunging me into further poverty. Insanity.
Nothing is perfect by the idea of billionaires making such wealth is obscene when there homelessness is rampant.
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Good post. The social security angle really surprised me with the updated figures. Those figures really should be adjusted. I don't pay tax on ss benefits but I know some who do and although they have more money than me, they still don't have a lot.
As long as the tax laws are made by the wealthy they will be made for the wealthy. It seems like the middle class has been losing ground since "Reaganomics" became all the rage. Social Security "reform" was just one of the ways it got going.
I filed our income tax extension today, along with our payment of a number of thousands of dollars. We're at the stage of our lives where we have required minimim distributions on our investments. I don't need that money right now and it is so annoying to have to cash it in and pay taxes on it.
On the other hand, I'm grateful to have the assets.
But I can still complain.
Ha ha, Linda. I think a lot of us retirees are in the same boat -- grateful for what we have, but we still complain!
Yes, necessary information and I had to work really hard to read it and not just go "yada, yada, yada" in my head the whole time. I don't mind paying my taxes really. In fact most times I feel grateful that I have enough money comfortably. Writing the check or signing the form is not stressful for me. BUT making that call to set up an appointment with the accountant gives me cold sweats and mild anxiety attacks as I bargain with myself about when I am going to force myself to do it. Definitely a block in my pursuit of calm.
Well, Olga, I admitted it was boring ... but as you say, necessary. Thanks for sticking with it.
We don't pay income taxes, thank goodness.
Hi Tom! I guess I an outlier here on this topic. I think taxes are very important and good for us to constantly be reading about and adjusting. Again, maybe it's because my husband and I have been self employed for nearly all our lives, but we have to stay on top of it. It always surprises me when people get hit with unexpected costs because most of the time (not always of course) but much of the time a person/family can plan ahead. While we do pay our more than fair share of taxes, and live in California where it is higher than other states, I agree that it is the price of living in a civilized and good community and country. Do I agree with how much of my taxes are spent? No? And I loved your line-throughs :-) We typically support any tax changes that benefit most people but obviously that isn't happening lately. The good news is--at least for us this year--that we overpaid our estimates based upon the new tax laws and actually get a huge credit toward this years taxes. ~Kathy
I appreciate your summaries about some potential tax reform programs. Maybe a flat tax but with four or so levels. Under $25,000 no tax, under $50,000 xxx percent tax, 50,000 to 200,000 a higher percent, 200,000 to 1,000,000 a higher percent, etc. Tax reform is a tough sell. I like the fact that the new tax law gives us a higher standard deduction.
I like the new taxes, but think there is always someplace else that needs expansion. I like Warren's idea. I also like estate taxes after the first million. I don think that land should be included for US citizens( to keep people from having to sell the family home/farm)---BUT if they do sell it in the first five years---the tax returns. We all need to eat and we need those farmers!
No need for a tax man this year. Our paperwork was SUPER easy and done in less then an hour. Little in, little out, almost no return.Whew! Like my wish for the disappearance of health insurance, I long for the day that only the very wealthy pays H&R Block!
I don't mind paying tax because I understand that services need to be provided and these need to be paid for. What I do object to is how wasteful some of the government spending is, and that this waste is not free, it is wasting our money. I especially get annoyed when this waste is a result of political maneuvering made for political gain - that's absolutely not what my taxes should be for.
As the USA goes deeper and deeper into debt….cities, states, and Uncle Sam will have to raise taxes in most ways you mentioned. In this country, we are very fortunate to be the reserve currency of the world….otherwise the world markets would have disciplined us already by demanding higher interest on that debt. However, I suspect that a day of reckoning is coming (higher taxes plus much reduced government spending) because based on the current projections Uncle Sam’s total tax revenue income will be consumed by Social Security, Medicare, and interest on the national debt. There won’t be any revenue for anything else such as DOD, DHS, Interior, Agriculture, Commerce, Labor, HUD, etc. Sadly, Congress doesn’t seem to care because they have known about this for at least 20 years.
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