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Thursday, March 14, 2019

Dreams of a Second Home

     B and I have been going to the same barrier island outside of Charleston, SC, for three years now. We've rented several different places -- one on the beach, one in town, one by the river. We especially liked the townhouse we rented this year, so as we left I contacted the rental agency to see if we could book it for next year. They said they'd contact the owner and get back to us.

     We've been going for the month of February, which is out of season, so we got a pretty good rate this year. Then we heard back from the rental agency. The owner would be glad to sign us up for next year . . . at a 10% increase. Now, granted, we got a mid-winter rate this year, which was probably a 10% discount from the regular rate. But February will be out of season again next year, too.

     So we declined the 10% offer, thinking we'll take our chances come next winter. But it also got us thinking, once again: maybe instead of renting, we should buy a place. Why not? A lot of retirees, if they haven't moved to the Sunbelt full time, have a second home in the sun that they can use when they want, and rent out when they're not using it.

Vacation home ... what's it worth?
     Indeed, for a lot of people having a second home is part of the retirement dream. You can stay in your hometown with friends and family, but also have a small bungalow at the beach or a condo on a golf course. And then if you own a property you no longer have to spend countless hours rooting through the hotel sites or the home-share sites searching for a place you can afford that's available for the time you want to go.

     The problem is that you kind of tie yourself down to one place. If we owned a place in South Carolina, then we're probably going to South Carolina for vacation, whether we want to or not. Unless you have very deep pockets, it's hard to justify -- much less afford -- an alternate vacation to Europe, Mexico or anywhere else.

     But we're not big travelers, and we have no ambition to go on a cruise (trapped on a boat with nothing to do but eat ... yuck!), or buy an RV (driving a big lumbering rig and living in cramped quarters ... ugh!) or go on a tour to see the sites of Europe (and being herded around like a bunch of tourists? Not for us!). Besides, with two grandchildren in Charleston, chances are we will be going there on a regular basis. And we like the idea of owning our own place, feeling that we belong there rather than just dropping by as occasional visitors. Also, as an owner, we could invite family and friends to join us, or even let them use it by themselves when we're not there.

     But one problem, for us, is that we'd still be responsible if something goes wrong, even when we're not there. Just like owning your own home, we'd be the ones who'd have to step up when a window gets broken, the roof springs a leak or the refrigerator gives up the ghost. Also, we may be held liable if someone gets hurt falling down the stairs or slipping in the shower.

     Even so, we might still be able to make some money renting out a second home. In February I played golf with a doctor from Chicago. He told me he'd bought a house on the beach about three years ago. According to him, he rents it out for ten weeks in the summer and that pays for the whole thing. Anything more than that is a profit. And meanwhile, he can use it when he wants; and his son who lives in Washington, DC, usually takes his family there once or twice a year ... for free.

     Some people rent out their place by themselves. All you need is an account on airbnb or homeaway. We probably wouldn't do that. We know the people at the real-estate company on the island. They offer a rental program that, yes, would cut into any profit we might make, but would also relieve us of a lot of the responsibility for renting and maintaining the place. One thing we know. We do not want to purchase a second home ... and find out that all we've done is buy ourselves a new job.

     Another plus is that you can decorate your vacation home the way you want it and keep it nice. You can also leave your stuff there, and spare yourself the trouble of jamming your car full of sports equipment, beach chairs and other paraphernalia every time you go on vacation. And we would never have to pay airline fees for extra baggage if we decided to fly instead.

     As you've probably figured out by now, B and I are going through the pros and cons of owning a second place versus renting. It's a complex decision that requires careful thought. So maybe B and I should sit down and decide, realistically, how often we would use it, and for how long. If we're going to use it for two weeks, it might be better to keep renting. If we're going to end up going there for two months a year, it would likely be cheaper and more comfortable to have our own place.

     It would certainly be more convenient if our island paradise was closer to home. As it is, it's either a two-day drive, or else one very long, grueling day. If something goes wrong that would require our presence, it would be a major inconvenience. Maybe our son would want to help take care of it. But he's got a job; he's going to school; and he's got two kids. The last thing he needs is another responsibility loaded on his back.

     It would also be hard to keep up on the local happenings that might affect our property. Is a big tax increase on the horizon? A road construction? A flood management system? And B worries about global warming. If we buy a vacation unit that's five feet above sea level, how long before it's five feet under sea level?

     As you can see, we have a lot of thinking to do. The bottom line for us, for anyone, is: How much are you willing to pay in order to get that free vacation?

21 comments:

Anonymous said...

Don’t touch buying. Renting is cheaper. Leave your “beach stuff” at your sons place.

Snowbrush said...

You made no mention of hurricanes, and I have no idea what it might cost to insure against something like that. For me, renting wouldn't work because my every vacation would be spent performing upkeep and projects. I think that, unless one is really rich, that it takes an optimistic kind of person to own a second home.

Tim said...

My wife and I have owned a little weekend home in the country for almost 20 years and loved every minute of it.
We don't rent it out when we are not there. It is a small place and not in a location that would be attractive to anyone but us. We just wanted a quiet country place that was the exact opposite of big city. And a place that was inexpensive enough for us to afford. It is an hour and 1/2 round trip to the nearest Home Depot. No restaurants, no tourist attractions, etc. Just a country subdivision of small acreage lots with a lot of quiet.
And quite a bit of upkeep. You are correct. Things go wrong and seem to go wrong most often when you are not there. I came down one time to find the yard flooded because a pipe to an outdoor faucet broke. Fortunately it was all outside, but water had been running full blast for well over a week. Large water bill that month.
And our place is only 2 hours away - not 2 days.
Still, like I say, we've loved it and wouldn't trade a minute even with the occasional headaches.
You are right on vacations too. Because we bought such an inexpensive place, we do still have the ability to take vacations elsewhere too but more often than not, that is where we go. And we always make sure to go down there at least once a month just to check on the place. Again 2 hours away, not 2 days.
Best of luck. I bet whichever way you decide, you'll have made the right decision.

Barb said...

My parents bought there retirement home pre retirement. While they weren't snowbirds as such, they did rent it out and keep it as a second place for years...until they decided they wanted to retire in Beaufort (as opposed to the research triangle). They had a management company, insurance and so on when they did so and no regrets. They did not rent it out year around and if I remember paid someone to check on it regularly and clean occasionally when not rented.it was new when they bought it so very little maintenance. I personally am looking to go away next year on March and April, but I'm looking for a long term rental only.

Savoring Sixty said...

My husband and I had a similar conversation. We, like you guys, are not interested in RV travels or cruises and the thought of a vacation home in a place we absolutely love sounded perfect. You are fortunate to have family nearby so some of our concerns would not be yours. We considered the maintenance involved, security when not in use, insurance cost because we wanted to be located right on the beach, furnishings, and cost of utilities (not only when we used it, but when others were invited to enjoy using it sometime.) We don't have deep pockets so more than likely this would be our vacation destination for the rest of our lives. After many conversations we finally decided against this investment. Since 11 of our 14 grandchildren live in other states we felt better served to plan other trips with the money we would put toward a vacation home. In your case, the opportunity to be near your family and stay for extended periods is definitely something to consider. Good luck in making your decision and I look forward to reading your post once you and B. make a decision.

Linda Myers said...

We rented a place at a 55+ RV resort in Tucson for two years and then bought it. We're now there five months of the year and at our family home in Seattle the rest of the time. Our park model (trailer) is 620 square feet, which is fine for us in the winter. We've made some improvements but nothing expensive. For us, it was perfect to buy.

We still travel, though. Our little place was inexpensive to buy, so we can still get away.

I LOVE the winters away from the dreary Pacific Northwest

Tom said...

Anon., good idea but unfortunately we can't leave our beach stuff at our son's house. He's got no attic, no basement, just a single garage chock-a-block with kids' things. Snowbrush, I guess I was thinking I was covering hurricanes when I mentioned five feet under water. And Tim and Linda, yeah, it would help if we wanted to go somewhere inexpensive. But the family's in Charleston, and Charleston ain't cheap.

Wisewebwoman said...

My first reaction: what an elder-headache having two homes. Maybe coupling is more conducive to this. Being single and upkeeping 2 homes even in my early sixties was too much headache and pressure. I just love renting now, no muss no fuss.

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Kathy @ SMART Living 365.com said...

Hi Tom! As I think you know, I have written an article myself on my blog about the pros and cons of buying a 2nd home. My husband and I have been traveling every summer and renting properties for a month and/or two months every year for the last 20+ years and we have absolutely NO regrets for not buying. While the personal reasons you mention might make sense, the financial ones rarely add up to a positive. For example, we rent a place in the mountains near our desert home for one month and pay $1,500 for that month. We have been renting it for that amount for the last 10+ years. If we had owned the property it would have cost us many thousands of dollars instead of the $15,000 we paid for it. Instead, we took our money and made investments with a return of well over 8% per year and use that money to pay not only for the $1,500 each summer, but to buy other rental properties. Remember Rich Dad Poor Dad? A home (or a 2nd home) is a luxury that costs money. Investments instead MAKE money. It is so easy to romance ourselves into thinking of the advantages of owning without carefully considering the true cost of RE ownership. And yes, I also know it is VERY popular for people to claim they are making so much renting out their property, but what happens when the city decides it has had enough of short term rentals and makes it Illegal to go with any rental less than a month. That is happening in cities all over the County. So much to consider and I hate being a Debbie-Downer, but do read my article again on my blog and consider it VERY carefully before taking such a step. ~Kathy

DUTA said...

It shouldn't be much of a problem with your son living in Charleston. He could and should help with taking some care of family's property.
However, in principle, I wouldn't recommend buying an asset near the sea, unless one has a health issue like 'COPD' which requires the inhalation of sea air, or a skin problem like 'psoriasis' which gets better under the sea sun and sea water.

Tabor said...

Our home here in the woods is both our primary and vacation home. We got away from the city but not the winter weather. Our children vacation with us, but always want to go somewhere different each year, so that negates a second home. this house requires repairs and maintenance and unless I had someone doing that for the second home, I would not want it.Have fun planning and I will enjoy your adventure.

Olga said...

We did the rental thing and ended up buying in a mobile home park in Florida. Now I spend five months here and I moved into a condo in VT after my husband died. It's worked for me but there are definitely pros and cons.

Pam said...

The struggle to make the "right decision" about purchasing a second home in retirement is very real. I believe I commented about our experience a couple of weeks ago. My husband and I have been tempted to purchase a second home near our children, but were fortunate to opt for a rental, instead. We are now 8 months into our 12-month lease and it has definitely been a learning experience. There have been some wonderful times, as well as disappointments. We have learned much about the community and that is very important. Becoming familiar with the day-to-day lifestyle in a different place is priceless. You also learn about the real costs of living. Good luck in your decision!

Rain Trueax said...

We have owned a second home in Arizona for now 20 years. It's worked well for us. Some of the years we had it in VRBO and rented it during the times we couldn't make it down (it's 1200 miles from our Oregon home). Now we are debating whether to make it our full-time home as our son takes over the little ranch in Oregon. We have yet to decide but wish we were closer to a second home as with old age the long drive (can't leave a car here and we bring 4 cats with us) is less appealing and our kids and grandkids are in Oregon. I am however, typing this in that second home, which we call Casa Espiritu. We'll be here probably until June and then have to get back to Oregon for haying, shearing, etc. etc.

The rental aspect has drawbacks as you can only use it 2 weeks a year for pleasure-- although we used to be here more than that some years as we had work to do on the home. It's all weighing what a person likes and needs but I sure have enjoyed having a real home when we drive up the driveway. It's not much of an investment though as property in our area has not gone up a lot due to a lot of building in the valley.

gigihawaii said...

I can't afford a second home. I prefer to rent, because there is more flexibility.

Janis said...

I think the idea of having a second home is way better than the reality (as many of your commenters have pointed out). I'm surprised the people you rented from this year didn't realize how lucky they were to have a sure thing for next year. They might be regretting adding that 10% that drove you away. I think your wife is very smart to consider the effects of climate change on the future value of your investment. Keep renting and enjoy the flexibility and the freedom from property management worries and headaches.

Anonymous said...

We live in the foothills of western NC about 5 hrs from the coast. We have owned a second home just above the SC/NC line foe the last 7 years. They don’t have to be extravagant. You can find very reasonable priced homes if you don’t have to be ‘looking at the water’’...lol....spent $84k on the first one.....so it was basically same as a car payment..Our first one was a nice double wide mobile home about 3 miles from the beach. This gave us some protection from potential of hurricanes. We have found that flood insurance(which we have never taken out) is quite reasonable, but the wind rider is more costly on your homeowners policy.

We sold that home and bought a larger one after 3 yrs, to have additional room for out of state relatives and friends. We now have it for sale and are looking at a full time home where we will move after retirement. I have 4 yrs and wife will be finished teaching next yr. we’ve learned tricks, such as cutting off the water, when leaving to prevent potential of leaks. It is very, very nice to walk in the door and everything is there that you need. My wife says her blood pressure drops 50 points just walking in the door.
I guess the best advice would be you can stay very small and simple and have as much fun as in something much more costly. We have steered clear of condos due to the uncertainty of HOA fees. We also had relatives close by and this played into our decision.
Good luck!!!

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Mer56 said...

Ha! We are struggling with this right now. From PA and live here now as does our daughter who is expecting our first grandchild shortly. We lived in Phoenix for a decade plus and loved it but for some reason I can’t fathom how we moved back t9 PA when our daughter began grad school here. We HATE PA overall - the weather and dreariness for half a year plus, the traffic on narrow potholed roads, the bugs in summer. We are trying to figure out how to do it all- live in Phx , see our grandchild a lot and be there for our daughter and her wonderful husband, afford to keep doing the adventure type travel abroad that we live for and still afford food!! Condos would be great size wise( our awesome and super helpful adult son is still living with us so no 55+.. he is working several part time jobs and is having trouble finding full time work with benefits. That history degree apparently didn’t do him any favors), but my spouse is a woodworker, fixerupper and we both refinish furniture as a hobby. You need some working space most condos don’t have or allow. We checked. A lot. Also their fees go up a lot every year it seems. I looked at a lot of townhouses. There are fees there as well but less. So many single homes need renovations from top to bottom and we have done that too many times now to do it again - particularly because of the massive expense. But while we are super healthy and active now it doesn’t take much for back or knee issues to make stairs a serious issue so townhouses seem not so smart long term. . Seems dangerous to go that route but one stories are not easy to find here in PA though they abound in AZ. We looked at Hilton Head Island and Beaufort as well but with the lack of one storey homes, hurricanes, floods, iffy winter weather sometimes , and insurance issues- we have almost ruled it out as a closer alternative to AZ. It’s great to have tons of potential options but it also makes deciding exactly what to do VERY HARD!!!

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