There's good news and bad news. I'll tell you the bad news first -- or at least it's a bad sign, in my opinion. As we walked into the auditorium at our local university, the ushers handed out flyers to everyone entering the building. These flyers did not offer biographies of the candidates, or summarize their positions.
Instead, they were a warning to the audience: "Respect the candidates by refraining from interfering with the program . . . Refrain from standing up, raising signs or creating other distractions. Refrain from applauding or demonstrating support or nonsupport for a candidate . . . If you do not adhere to these rules you will be asked to leave today's event."
Maybe some people will think this message infringes on our free-speech rights. But I take it as a sign of the times . . . that we the public can't be trusted to behave in a responsible manner, and even as adults we have to be admonished to act civilly and respectfully to other people.
Even so, during the debate there were several outbursts of applause, for both candidates. The Democrat got a couple of "unauthorized" rounds of applause when he went after Donald Trump. The Republican got one when he made an impassioned call for bipartisanship.
Several times the moderators -- a man from the Chamber of Commerce and a woman from the League of Women Voters -- had to ask the audience to quiet down. But there were no signs, there was no shouting from the back of the room, and nobody had to be escorted from the building.
I will admit that my opinion of Congress, in general, is pretty low. How can it not be if you read or watch the news on even an occasional basis? So my expectations were low. But both B and I came away with the impression that these candidates were good, responsible people, both showing good intentions and espousing good government.
Maybe it's because we live in a swing district, in a swing state, but both candidates went out of their way to decry the ultra-partisanship in Washington. Both pledged to try to work in a bipartisan manner, to reach across the aisle and try to find common solutions for our country's problems.
There were some differences. But they weren't extreme. The Republican is an ex-FBI agent who made a point of emphasizing that he's a member of a bipartisan caucus in the House, with 24 Republicans and 24 Democrats, who are trying to agree on solutions and offer legislation to solve our problems. It's called the Problem Solver Caucus. He realizes that 48 representatives, out of 435, is not a majority. But he hopes that the caucus will expand over time and develop into a serious power in the legislative process.
Wallace is a wealthy lawyer who apparently inherited a chemical company fortune, and has spent a good part of his career running his family's non-profit foundation. When he rose to criticize the Trump tax bill as a giveaway to the 1 percent, which Fitzpatrick voted for, the Republican countered that his opponent is a part of the 1 percent, and would most likely pay more tax under the new bill than the old tax law. The Republican challenged his opponent to release his tax returns, which apparently the Democrat has refused to do.
The Republican was unabashedly pro-growth. He insisted that the corporate tax cut only brings the U. S. corporate rates more in line with other countries, and will allow U . S. companies to compete better on the international stage. That, he claims, will lead to a better economy, more jobs, and more federal revenues.
The Democrat claims that if we raised the corporate tax rate by just 1 percent, from the current 21 percent to 22 percent (the new tax law brought the corporate rate down from 35 percent to 21 percent) we would have the money to solve the entire student debt problem that burdens our youth. He also recommended doing away with the ceiling on the payroll tax for Social Security, to shore up Social Security and Medicare, and so the rich will "pay their fair share."
Both are in favor of some additional gun regulation. But the Republican skirted the issue of banning assault weapons, while the Democrat proposes installing bio-markers on guns so only the owners could shoot them. (That's the only way, he said, that the Newtown, CT, mass shooting could have been avoided).
The Republican is in favor of term limits. The Democrat is not. However, the Democrat pledged that he would self-limit to three terms, if elected. Both say climate change is an important problem and both are in favor of green energy, but the Republican wants to shift to wind and solar over time, while the Democrat wants an Apollo-like program to switch to green energy right away.
Both candidates are in favor of providing more financial support for education, infrastructure and the criminal justice system in order to rehabilitate and educate prisoners.
Both candidates presented themselves as moderates. Is that I good thing? I think so. But I do remember, back in the 1990s, when members of Congress got along better than they do now, a lot of people criticized them for being too much alike. You could vote for Tweedledum or Tweedledee. It didn't make much difference.
But that was then. This is now. I'd be happy with either Tweedledum or Tweedledee, as long as they work together to solve some of our problems.
Sure, there was political gobbledegook during the debate. And they did challenge each other, sometimes pointedly. But they both behaved in a civil and responsible manner -- more civil and responsible than the organizers feared that the audience would be. Which, maybe, is a good sign.
14 comments:
I'm glad to hear that you have two good candidates to choose from. Here in Washington State we vote by mail-in paper ballots, and yesterday my husband and I filled out our ballots and feel good about our ability to vote and have the security of our votes actually count. :-)
Sadly, in the world as it is today, problems are not solvable, and elections are but a circus.
Hopefully good guys win, whatever party, eventually. We need good people on both sides.
Civility is hard to come by in candidate forums right now. Even the city council candidate forum I attended had one person who who was not civil - perhaps because he had very little of substance to say?
I wish people would wake up to the fact that corporate tax cuts have never, ever, benefited the poorer segments of society. So let's put that futile claim to rest!
DUTA, I'm inclined to disagree, because I'm an optimist. Diane, I'm inclined to agree, because I'm also a skeptic.
Interesting, but can you imagine trump or a trump like candidate ever remotely behaving well in a debate?
The problem is the president and the precedent he has set over a few years in civil discourse, hate speech, threats, lock her up, body slamming is a good thing and some Nazis are very fine people.
The buck starts with him and it will never stop as long as he is president and sets the tone.
Here's a take on political debate:
https://www.sevendaysvt.com/OffMessage/archives/2018/10/11/walters-political-debate-ends-in-harmony-literally
Olga ... I checked out the video ... amazing! I'm always interested how local political candidates can disagree but still respect each other and work together, but when you get on the national level candidates treat opponents like enemies and insult them and call the names. Why is that?
I have voted for both Democrats and Republicans, depending on the politician. This year, I am voting for Democrats.
IMO, this calling the other candidate a liar only damages the one speaking (whether he/she is or not). Each party takes something out of context and then says that the other is for or against it... most of us that are listening know that this isn't true. What I agree is a sign of the times is this condemnation of the entire party... which is going to cause many people to vote straight party due to (for lack of a better term "hate" mongers). Can't imagine this situation having a good outcome for our country.
And I agree with gigi in that I vote for the man, not the party.
I'm afraid that no matter how principled or well-intentioned an individual candidate may be, Washington corrupts completely. Over a short period of time a member of Congress learns that to survive he or she must play the game of give and take. A lone voice of reason in the wilderness is quickly drowned out by the cacophony of politics.
Just returning from Arizona, I don't know how people stay sane. SO much noise. Don't they see that they are nearly a pawn?
Politics has ALWAYS been loud and obnoxious. Those who think differently are wearing rose colored glasses. "The differences have never been greater" is a silly phrase. We have always struggles with: class, freedoms, economy and people who think they know better then us what we need. Adams/Jefferson campaigns, duels, political cartoons, Senators caning each other, Civil War, Tea Pot Dome, Indian Wars, Depression, Welfare, Welfare to work, tuition for all Vets, Medicare, Irish immigration, German immigration, ERA, Vietnam War, Polio, Bracero permits, birth control, free love, closing of Hong Kong, Waco, Embassy take overs and bombings,.....
I have been a libertarian for 30 years and still have not seen a candidate who fits my views. I simply hold my nose and vote for the person I think will do the job. Here the amazing thing to me is that even through our Senator has been one of the most liberal in congress, he touts himself as a moderate. Such is life.
I don't mind "moderates" as long as they stick to their convictions. Too many have cow-towed to the President to satiate him and are using unfair tactics to push their agenda through. They sound OK on the campaign trail until they don't. Just saying.
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